Loa Usher S-520

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  1. emotions

    emotions Advanced Member

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    Giá mới của Usher S520 là hợp lý và ở bên em bán rẻ hơn ở VN khoảng 1 triệu (kể cả glossy finish hay là wood finish) nhưng em không muốn mất mấy tháng burn-in thôi :). Mua về là phải nghe hay luôn mới sướng. Còn thì chắc chắn em sẽ vác em này về rồi, chỉ là vấn đề thời gian thôi.

    "ôi ngày về sao xa quá, sóng đời còn gập ghềnh..."
     
  2. Only Time

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    he he... khui thùng cho nó thơm phòng đi bác... chạy xong burn-in trình nghe lại thêm tẹo mà chả mất thêm $ nào :D
     
  3. walkman

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    Hôm qua có bác bán đôi này màu piano trắng mới nguyên nhìn đã quá mà em đã có loa rồi nên tiếc ghê
     
  4. walkman

    walkman Advanced Member

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    Nghe bác có lý nhỉ. Em thấy cứ hỏi mua dây nhợ cho em loa này là hay bị các bác kêu "1 tiền gà 3 tiền thóc" hic ... Ngay cả cái âmly cho em nó cũng vậy
     
  5. emotions

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    Tình hình là mai em lấy được em 2nd-hand Usher S520 black piano finish về rồi. Excellent condition. Giá theo em là khá mềm, khoảng $265.

    Các bác tư vấn cho em đôi dây dợ cho em nó với ạ. Giá khoảng nhỏ hơn hoặc bằng 1 triệu. Em chỉ nghe vocal và jazz thôi.

    Cảm ơn các bác trước.

    Em đang happy quá. Mong chờ em này mãi. Hy vọng mai deal với người bán không có gì trục trặc, hị hị
     
  6. emotions

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    Mọi bài rất chi tiết về Usher S520, em chia sẻ với bác nào chưa đọc qua :). Sorry vì bài dài quá nên em ngại dịch ra tiếng Việt, em cứ để nguyên tiếng Anh:

    S-520 Build Quality and Setup

    by Tom Andry — last modified May 18, 2007

    One thing I’m constantly on guard about is assumptions. You hear them all the time, “Brand X makes the best speakers,” or “silver cable is better than copper” or “Internet Direct speakers give you more bang for your buck than brick and mortar brands.” In the public consciousness, these statements, once said enough times, start to take on a kind of “truth” in people’s minds. It takes a big product or a big article in the right place at the right time to dispel these myths. Usher Audio is looking to dispel the idea that you need to search the Internet for quality bookshelf speakers at a reasonable price.

    I’ve been a big proponent of Internet Direct speakers. I’ve reviewed them, owned them, and loved them. They have their drawbacks, sure, but for the price they are usually hard to beat. When Usher Audio approached us about a review, I picked out a bookshelf speaker towards the middle of the price range of their catalog. Much to my surprise, they suggested their newest and least expensive speaker. For a company whose most expensive set of speakers tops $16k, to recommend a $400 pair of bookshelves showed a lot of confidence. My curiosity piqued, I waited for the arrival of the S-520’s restlessly.

    Build Quality
    When the Usher Audio box showed up on my doorstep, I was confused by its size - it was so small. Then I tried to pick it up. To say I was shocked is an understatement. Fifteen pounds a speaker doesn’t sound like a lot but these speakers are SOLID. After reviewing a number of Internet direct brands, I had come to expect a certain size in a bookshelf speaker. The S-520’s were only a pound shy of the weight of my old Axiom m22’s which are easily twice the size and have an extra woofer! Either they are packing this enclosure with lead or we’ve got a seriously engineered speaker on our hands.

    The piano black finish on the S-520’s is without reproach. Clean lines, rounded corners, the fit and finish on these speakers is amazing. The one “seam” is hidden behind the grill and while it may be more visible on other finishes (particularly the wood grain from the pictures I’ve seen) with the grill off, on the black, it is all but invisible. The 1” tweeter is covered by a small wire mesh grill and is offset to make room for the port. The pair is actually a mirror image of each other so that the port is on the left side of one and the right of the other. The 5” woofer is clear so that you can see the cross member of the basket, the spider, and some of the insulation. Gimmicky? Sure, but I like it. The phase plug in the center of the woofer is real and not for show.

    You know those stories where someone finds a deal for a Porsche for $1 in the classifieds, checks it out and it turns out to be a disgruntled spouse looking to screw their partner on the sale? That’s what opening up the Usher S-520’s was like for me. Everything I thought I knew to be true about “budget” speakers went right out the window. Fully shielded drivers? Yep. Threaded inserts for each of the woofer/tweeter screws? Check. Cast baskets? Uh huh. High quality drivers? Check. One inch think MDF? Looks like. High quality components in the crossover? Absolutely. Every single element was a step above what I was expecting to see. These are the types of components you’d expect to see in the top of the line, no expenses spared speaker in a product line. This isn’t what you expect to find in a $400 a pair “budget” speaker. I just don’t see how Usher can make a speaker with these components and not lose money on every sale.

    Each edge of the cabinet absolutely dripped with glue and the interior lined with insulation. The bottom had a grey cotton blend that was stapled to the cabinet that surrounded the woofer and ran up the back wall. Around the tweeter was a porous white polyfill that I usually see in these sorts of speakers. Each of the drivers had a rubber ring between it and the cabinet it to reduce vibrations during operation. The crossover was so large that I don’t think I could have gotten it out had I dared to unscrew it from the back wall. Even though it was flush with the top of the cabinet, it overhung the binding post opening by almost an inch! Between the circuit board and the wall was a dense rubber layer to once again eliminate vibrations. Let me just sum this up for any that are skimming this – The build quality of the Usher S-520’s is beyond compare. After conferring with the other Audioholic reviewers, we all agree that we’ve never, EVER, seen a speaker at this price point with this compliment of high quality components. It is unreal!

    Setup
    Setting up bookshelf speakers isn’t exactly brain surgery – Grab a couple of stands, set them to either side of your display, and you’re good to go. Right? Well, there’s a little thing that audiophiles refer to as the “golden triangle.” The idea is that you set the speakers so that the distance between you and each of the speakers and the distance between the two speakers is all the same (yes, and equilateral triangle). Then you point the speakers directly at you (or just over your shoulder as indicated in the Usher Audio setup manual) and sit down to enter audio nirvana. Well, that’s probably a good place to start but I’m more of a pragmatist. Your room probably isn’t set up so that you can place everything equidistant from each other plus, you just MIGHT want to have someone else enjoy the music with you (or you’d just buy headphones, wouldn’t you?) so the suggested severity of the toe-in might not work.

    No, I’m more for experimenting with positioning and placement. There are plenty of speakers that shouldn’t be set up in this way – for example those that try to attain a flat off-axis response as they will sound bright pointed right at you. You’ll never know what will work for your ears or your room until you try. My first question after I unpacked the speakers was, “Which side does the port go on, inside or outside?” There didn’t really seem to be any clear directions in the manual so I tried both. To my ears, I couldn’t really hear a difference. This is one of those things that, as a reviewer, I think, “OK, if I can hear a difference here, other reviewers will think I’m cool. Well, I did everything I could to hear that difference. I switched the speakers, listened to the same passages over and over, and eventually just stood about two feet in front of one of the speakers with my ears at tweeter height walking back and forth (about 30 degrees off axis). No matter which side of the speaker I was on, I really couldn’t hear a significant sonic difference. So I set them up with the port on the outside (I thought it looked better).

    The speaker sits almost a foot high with the center of the tweeter about 9 ½ inches from the bottom of the rubber feet. The feet are permanently attached – no ridiculous spikes on a bookshelf here. I experimented with the toe in quite a bit and decided that either pointed straight ahead or perhaps with a little toe in was best sonically (see below for description). You’ll want to experiment on your own to see what works best for you.

    Emotiva Audio was gracious enough to provide their Reference Audio Series which consists of the RSP-1 stereo preamplifier and the RPA-1 stereo amp. This is an analogue only system which does very little to alter the signal other than providing a summed filtered RCA output so that you can utilize a subwoofer. At 200 watts per channel, the dual mono configuration of the RPA-1 will provide more than enough power for most ANY speaker especially the Usher S-520’s. Paired with the Denon 3910, I had at my disposal equipment that will provide the S-520’s (or any other stereo pair of speakers) the purity of signal with power reserves to spare. There will be no doubt that any imperfections revealed in my testing are a result of the speakers and not the electronics.

    The S-520’s are front ported which should make placement a little easier than a rear ported speaker. During playback, even at insane levels, I was surprised at how little air was being pushed through the port. I’m used to putting my hand up to the port and feeling a rush of wind as the woofer(s) pump air in and out of the speaker enclosure. This can lead to port noise. With the S-520’s, port noise was NEVER a problem. They are a bit insensitive and I was worried that they may demand some solid external amplification over the typical run of the mill receiver. While I did all my listening tests on the Emotive Reference Audio Series, I did briefly hook up the S-520’s to the Denon AVR-2307 to see how they would react to a mid-level receiver. Much to my relief, they did well. If you are looking at the S-520’s, you wouldn’t be wasting money on an external amp but you don’t absolutely need it. Think of it this way, with the money you just saved on the Usher’s, you can easily purchase a decent amp and STILL save money over a set of speakers that wouldn’t sound as good!

    S-520 Listening Tests and Conclusion

    If there is a theme of the listening section of this review, it is “clear”. I’ve had a lot of speakers in for review in the last few years and NONE have had the detail and clarity that the Usher S-520’s have. My own reference speakers - the Axiom m60’s sounded like they had a sheet thrown over them in comparison (not a blanket, mind you, a sheet). This level of detail reveals things in recordings that you’ve never noticed before. It also tends to lead people to a “bright” description. Even familiar recordings will suddenly have a depth that you didn’t know existed. Rather than wax poetic, why don’t I get right to the tests?

    CD: Yello – the eye

    Well, you knew this one was coming. As always I was looking at imaging and I was worried primarily about placement and toe in. The off axis response of the S-520s was remarkably uniform out to about 30 degrees on each side. The only real difference I heard was between directly on axis and off (meaning directly in front of the speaker as compared to a little off to one side). For the purposes of imaging and presenting a coherent soundstage, toe in and port side didn’t seem to make much of a difference. If you are going to change the positioning of these speakers, it will NOT be because of the imaging because the imaging didn’t seem to change that much with different degrees of toe-in. Generally, the imagining was good but it never really had the unity and cohesiveness that I’ve experienced with my reference speakers or others. Instruments were placed in the soundstage but they didn’t have the three dimensional quality I’ve heard in the past.

    CD: Bang & Olufsen Vol. XIII – The Sound of Perfection

    I acquired this CD on my trip to B&O a while back. At first listen, I only really liked one song but a few of the others have grown on me. In particular, Maggie Reilly’s Close your Eyes (track 4) has grown on me for its crazy audio quality and alluring timbre. This ballad is recorded with such high fidelity that you feel like you are inside the microphone. As I played around with the toe in, I began to realize that I preferred the on axis setup. The sound was more present, more immediate. Regardless of toe in, the bass was extremely tight and the piano lifelike. I hate saying this because I sound like one of those reviewers, but it was like a veil was lifted. Honestly. The holdover on notes was reduced, everything was tighter and clearer, and sounds that were masked by held over notes were now audible. For the first time, I could hear the felt on the piano rub on the strings. When you play a piano, you’ve heard that sound and can identify it readily. But you are not used to hearing it so clearly in reproduced music. Suddenly, I was hearing it again.

    DTS CD: Diana Krall – Love Scenes (read the review)

    Ok, I know this isn’t a two channel CD and I’m playing it though a two channel preamp but I like it and most of the material is in the right and left channels anyhow. Diana Krall’s venerable CD is a staple in a reviewer’s library. I’ve even been to “hi-end” boutique shops that sport the CD and/or vinyl versions of this album. Listening to Diana Krall’s voice though the Usher S-520’s was like being in the room with her. Every moment of silence, every note, every breath, every word was immediate, was present. You know what? I don’t even believe me. I’m writing this and thinking, “I can’t possibly mean this can I?” But I’m listening to it right now, I’m thinking all these things. I can’t help but challenge you to go out and demo these speakers and see if you agree.

    DVD-A: Porcupine Tree – Deadwing (read the review)

    I reviewed this album a little while back and for the most part it is a good listen. The style is a little inconsistent so for most people, they are going to love some of the songs and loath the rest. The thing about detailed speakers is that they tend to be unforgiving. You put in well recorded music and you can have a transcendent experience. You put in compressed or poorly mastered music and they’ll let you experience every agonizing moment of it. While I’m not suggesting that Deadwing has poor audio quality (far from it) but there were certain decisions made in order to get the sound they wanted (i.e. distortion, reverb, and feedback). This means that during some of the faster tracks, the guitar can become a little fatiguing. I found that while I preferred the S-520’s pointed directly at me (or near to it) for the ballads (and most of the other listening I did), on these faster tracks, I preferred them pointed out. Even on the ballads and other music they sounded great pointed out but I felt they sounded a little better pointed at me. As a concession, I generally kept them facing straight ahead or with a slight toe in (maybe 10 degrees) during causal listening. Even in this configuration with this type of music I found them a little bright.

    Recommendations
    Are you kidding? If you’re looking at bookshelf speakers, try to find someplace to listen to the S-520s. You’ll have to locate a dealer which might be a problem for some but do what you can to get a listening session. Bring your favorite music (and a large selection). Plan to spend some time. The Usher Audio S-520’s are worth it. My only suggestion? Don’t listen to these first. Listen to everything else you can get your hands on first. Cause you’re probably going to walk out with these speakers. Better you should be sure of your purchase at the time rather than wonder if that Audioholics guy really knew what he was talking about. My only caveat is that in the wrong room (read – lots of hard surfaces) the “revealing” nature of these speakers will cross over from “a bit bright” to “oh my god my ears.” You’ll want to make sure that this type of sound is for you.

    Conclusion
    Can you tell I like these speakers? For a while I’ve been getting a reputation among my peers as being too harsh – too hard on products. I don’t know how they are going to react to this review, but I know how you should. Run, don’t walk, to your nearest dealer to get a session with these speakers. The build quality is without equal, the component quality rivals (and bests) speakers much more expensive, and the sound if phenomenal. As far as I’m concerned, these are THE budget bookshelf speakers to beat.

    Em thích câu này nhất "Run, don't walk to the nearest dealer to get a sesion with these speakers", hihi :)

    Qua bài này vậy là vấn đề về vị trí loa, hướng loa, hướng của bass reflex theo em là đã rõ ràng :). Cảm ơn Tom Andry đã có bài viết tỉ mì về Usher S520. Đợi đến sáng chắc em cũng phải RUN đến chỗ anh chàng rao bán Usher này quá :D
     
  7. Shipping

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    Em nghĩ giá đó cũng good roài bác ạh. Trc em cũng dùng loa y chang vậy, dùng đc 1 tuần (nghe chắc đc 4-6h thui) sau đó bán giá như bác mua đó. Nhưng đúng là với mức đầu tư vậy thì Usher S520 là rất hợp lý. E bán roài bây giờ cũng thấy tiếc, vì phòng ngủ ko có nhạc nghe. :D

    Dây loa thì em ko biết nhiều lắm, nhưng trc em mua dây AQ từ CK shop về nghe cũng ok bác ạh. Giá hình như hơn 1tr chút thui (cã jack bắp chuối). Bác có thể tham khảo.

    Chúc bác happy với Usher S520!
     
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    Các bro ơi cho mình biết với, ampli Denon DRA 500AE đánh với cặp loa này được không? Ampli thì mình có rồi, tính mua loa Jamo nhưng thấy cặp này mình kết quá, mong các bro tư vấn giúp. thanks
     
  9. emotions

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    Em Usher S520 black piano finish đã nằm trong phòng em rồiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. Tạm thời em setup thế này:

    Macbook Pro 13 (dùng iTunes nhạc 320kbps) --> Airport Express --> Denon M37 Receiver --> Usher S520.

    Cảm nhận của em:
    -3 dải đều rõ ràng, nhưng chưa được như mong muốn của em (vì do amp yếu quá, và em lại dùng dây lởm nữa).
    -Em không thấy thiếu bass, em nghe thử Hotel California, bass kinh phết đấy ,hehe (lúc đầu em kê loa cao khoảng 40 cm cách mặt đất, em ngồi đất nghe thấy bass bị ù và vuốt đuôi. Nhưng sau đó kê cao lên 1m thì hết ù và vuốt đuôi :D )
    -Soundstage cũng ok lắm.

    Khi nào về VN setup hoàn chỉnh em sẽ review sau, hehe.

    Giờ em enjoy em này cái đã.
     
  10. emotions

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    Em dùng Denon M37 công suất có 35W/channel mà nghe ok lắm bác à. Nhưng quan trọng là kê loa sao cho hợp lý nhé. Đầu tư vào Usher S520 không bao giờ hối hận đâu bác à :D
     
  11. Shipping

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    DRA 500AE đánh tốt bác ạh. Chỉ có điều là tùy thuộc vào nhạc bác nghe nữa. Như nhạc trẻ, pop...thì ok.

    Thân mến.
     
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    Rất cám ơn các bác đã cho những lời khuyên bổ ích, chiều nay nhà mình sẽ có cặp Usher trên kệ, không cần đắn đo như mấy ngày nay nữa. Chúc các bác luôn mạnh khỏe và phát triển không ngừng trên con đường đầy hoa nhưng cũng lắm chông gai này.

    Thân
     
  13. pdluan

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    hi các bác
    Creek 6060 có đánh nỗi usher 520 k? e lăn tăn quá, con creek về nhà e cả tháng rồi mà chưa đâu vào đâu, rỏ chán
    Thân
     
  14. emotions

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    Chúc mừng bác nhé :). Bác nhớ kê loa cao tối thiểu 70cm nhé, đặt cách tường sau ít nhất 20cm, khoảng cách 2 loa khoảng 2.5m hoặc hơn, hơi xoay loa sao cho hướng vào phía người ngồi nghe.

    Khi nào bác setup xong chụp hình em xem với nhé.

    Sau khoảng 2h nghe em thấy Usher chơi thể loại nhạc nào cũng ok (em thấy thế, em hài lòng lắm lắm)
     
  15. emotions

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    Theo em nghĩ Usher S520 không khó đánh đâu. Cũng như bài review của Tom Andry đã nhận xét. Em dùng Denon M37 còi cọc nghe còn hay chán mà. Nhưng bác cứ vác Creek của bác đến cửa hàng xin cho thử, ok thì bác múc thôi, hehe

    Hy vọng bác sớm rước Usher S520 về :)
     
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    Creek này công suất bao nhiêu vậy bác? Bác thường nghe nhạc thể loại nào?
     
  17. pdluan

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    CS =65w/c
    gout của e là Jazz, vocal là chính
    Thân
     
  18. Capstan

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    bác luan chụp ảnh đẹp nhỉ. bí quyết gì đấy bác?

    mình chưa test trực tiếp Creek 6060 trên Usher. nhưng nếu dựa vào 4140 và 4040 thì nghĩ ... chưa hợp cạ đâu. cái loa nài ăn công suất tương đối đấy.
     
  19. pdluan

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    Hình mượn bác ui! vậy là k thể đánh nỗi 520 :(
     
  20. 130_hn

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    bác cáp nói thì chắc là đúng rồi :D nhưng cái 6060 cũng gọn nhẹ mà nên tội gì bác pdluan ko vác đi nghe thử trực tiếp thỏa chí, sau đỡ phải lăn tăn.
     
  21. pdluan

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    cám ơn các bác
    nhưng e ở Đà Lạt sao mà vác đi đc :lol: , e hỏi bên Fan Creek cũng chưa dc tư vấn rỏ nên lại qua đây
     
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    bác gửi cái 6060 ra HN để e nghe thử với s520 rồi báo cáo tình hình cho bác vậy, xong gửi lại cho bác đảm bảo nguyên vẹn :mrgreen:
     
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    Tks bác!
    Quá tội nghiệp cho e :roll:
    Thân
     
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    Đúng như bác Capstan, cặp này khá nuốt công suất đấy. Theo tai trâu của em thì em thấy cặp này ghép với mấy em amp ClassA khoảng... 50W/C nghe phê lắm ạ, mỗi tội hơi.... đắt :D
     
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    .................. :)
    CREEK 6060: 65W/K và là 1 con amp khá tốt, được khoai tay review kỹ và khen ngợi
    Đây cũng là dòng amp có biệt hiệu nhỏ mà công lực tốt và trị được cả tiếng bass khó chịu của B&W.
    Cái ni trên 4r cũng có topic của fan CREEK đã nói.

    Vậy lo chi nó không đáp ứng tốt cái phòng nhỏ xinh 9m2 của Bác với loại nhạc Bác thích nghe.??

    E đã ghép thử 4040S3 yếu hơn nhiều mà đánh cả JAMO 570, Celestion có sao đâu???

    Tai E nó nghe thấy thế, còn thực tế Bác Luận thử cân nhắc xem, chứ làm gì có AE nào lại khuyên nên mua loa j đánh tốt với amp của Bác. Mọi thứ chỉ làm tham khảo và ước tính thôi,.
    Ở cửa hàng bán đồ nghe rất hay, mang về nhà lại không hay bằng và có khi còn tệ hơn - điều này là chuyện bình thường của cuộc chơi mà. :) .......Phối ghép thực tế mới ra vấn đề, biết đâu đối tác của Usher 520 lại là CREEK :mrgreen:
     

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